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Post by Aiden SIN Christiansin on Apr 11, 2008 20:20:35 GMT -5
[/quote]The bottom line is the UFC is full of overrated fighters with a handful of top tier talent that is getting slimmer each year. Hell, I can't even name many MW's that are worth a damn in the UFC... Anderson Silva?  He's not P4P the best, he got subbed by Ryo Chonan... anyone that has been subbed by a less than stellar fighter cannot be P4P the best. Rich Franklin who got KO'd by Anderson Silva twice with ease? Dan Henderson is probably the only one and I think he just threw that fight against Silva. He was probably paid off by the Fertitas so they could keep buildling up Anderson Silva since everyone thinks he's so great.[/quote] In all due respect... This is probably the biggest crock of shit I have ever read. ANYONE CAN LOSE... ANYONE! Just because you get subbed out once by a fighter that is sub par as you say doesn't take away the domination Silva has shown. His last lose was from DQ for fuck sake! And saying Henderson threw a fight for some money is also the shittiest thing anyone can say about a fighter. Yeah, he looked terrible in the second round but maybe just maybe if you watch the fight again you'll notice that Silva actually started to fight in the second round! Not to mention every single person that is a known name in fighting that does nothing but watch fights and ranks fighters has Silva at number one for a reason. Is it because he beats no bodies? NO... It's because he destroys good/great fighters. |
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Post by Jimmy Thomson on Apr 11, 2008 20:51:25 GMT -5
He hasn't just been subbed by 1 sub-par fighter.
Daiju Takase was the other one.
Now, right before he entered into the UFC he decimated Tony Fryklund great win there. After that he moved on to Chris Leben, the guy that just moves forward with his jaw up and his hands swinging. Not exactly an upset here. Then he destroyed Rich Franklin and I'll give it to him, he beat a good fighter there. Though I hardly think Franklin is the best. After that he moved on to beat the awesome Travis Lutter... definitely worthy of being P4P the best right there. Next he defeats Nathan Marquardt with ease (also, the ONLY person I can say that is worth mentioning that Marquardt has beat is Ricardo Almeida and he hardly fights now). I don't know about you guys but in order to be P4P the best you actually have to beat top 10 guys consistantly. You don't just get the title because you've beat 1 guy. I say Henderson threw that fight because he didn't even look like he tried to defend the RNC. He pulled Andersons arm away with ease then he just let him get it right back, now when I seen this it just came off as odd. A guy, the caliber of Henderson, being subbed by a RNC after he has already defended it once.
Now, if you wanna sit there and try to convince me that he is the P4P Best then you can try. Though it won't work..... There are no real rankings and as far as I'm concerned there are tons of fighters who would dominate Silva. Henderson should've been one of them, but he threw the fight.... Yea he threw it, a world class wrestler with the experience of Henderson doesn't get subbed THAT easily. I mean, the NOGUIERA BROTHERS had trouble submitting him and they gave Silva his black belt. But if you want me to sit there and believe that it's completely implausible that Henderson threw the fight to keep people thinking Anderson Silva is this monster and he's not only a great striker but he's also better than the noguiera brothers on the ground then be my guest. So be naive and think that someone would take Pride over a shit load of money. Those guys fight to pay the bills and if they can get more than what they would from throwing a fight than winning then they would take it. Happened in PRIDE with Coleman Vs. Takada and it could very easily happen in the UFC....
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Post by Christopher Caine on Apr 11, 2008 22:00:23 GMT -5
k i love pride all the way
but there is some dumb shit being said in these threads
Anderson Silva is NO DOUBT the number one middle weight in the world. He got subbed by Chonan but that submission was out of control and would never happen again. He has walked through EVERY single middle weight he has fought. You can hate against Franklink but he is pretty good. But you cant hate against Dan Henderson or Nate Marquardt who Silva also walked through
"#3 The UFC's WW and LW divisions are each more stacked with talent than any of the former Pride divisions."
No offense but the ufc lw division is fucking horrible. Maybe two top ten fighters and one of them is a roid head
GSP lost to matt serra but Matt serra is realllllllllly fucking good. He basically beet BJ Penn...i mean BJ won but anyone who knows anything about mma knows Serra shouldve won that decision and yeah serra lost to shonie but that was to a spinning backfist, a move that nobody really did at the time it happened. If you have ever trained BJJ you know Matt Serra is probably thee best BJJ player in the welterweight division.
another thing fuck fedor, he is a bitch. He hasnt fought anyone worth a damn in a long ass time.
and I think arlovski x Nog would be an amazing fight
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Post by Aiden SIN Christiansin on Apr 11, 2008 22:26:46 GMT -5
We shall see if Fedor is all that and a bag of skittles when he fights Big Tim. Do I think he'll lose, probably not, but we'll see if he can do to Tim that Couture did. Personally I think you could argue about fights being P4P best, but no one will ever know. As for saying he threw the fight again, you are stupid for even saying that... Just because you defend a sub attempt 99 times straight the 100th could catch you. I'm not saying Silva is better then the Nog brothers, but you are comparing one fight to another when no one fight is the same...
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Post by Jimmy Thomson on Apr 11, 2008 23:52:31 GMT -5
We shall see if Fedor is all that and a bag of skittles when he fights Big Tim. Do I think he'll lose, probably not, but we'll see if he can do to Tim that Couture did. Personally I think you could argue about fights being P4P best, but no one will ever know. As for saying he threw the fight again, you are stupid for even saying that... Just because you defend a sub attempt 99 times straight the 100th could catch you. I'm not saying Silva is better then the Nog brothers, but you are comparing one fight to another when no one fight is the same... I was actually comparing the skills of the Nogueira brothers to the skills of Silva. On the ground they are heaps ahead of him and it just seems crazy that they struggled to sub him while Silva did it with relative ease. He took his back and then sunk in probably one of the easiest subs to defend... Of course if your name is Frank Trigg it would be a different story. I do have a weird outlook on MMA, I just think Anderson Silva is overrated. He has beat some good people and if the fight with Dan Henderson wasn't fixed he deserves to be the #1 MW in the world. Just not #1 P4P which was my argument all along. |
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Post by Aiden SIN Christiansin on Apr 12, 2008 0:10:53 GMT -5
Okay, well then who would you say is the P4P best fighter? Because you basically just ran down every major fighter the UFC has ever had... And I understand you were comparing the Nog brothers to Silva's skills.... But what I'm saying is two fights are NEVER the same. Maybe Henderson wasn't prepared like he was for those fights because most people never thing of Silva as anything on the ground because he flat out knocks people out. Plus Henderson seemed to have lost a lot of the fire he had int eh first round after he didn't end it. He got tired IMO... PLUS he toke some good shots in the second round which led into the ground submission. Strikes do help your grappling... So that is what happened, not his pockets getting lined with green. That and people make mistakes... That's what makes every fight different. Do I think Silva can be beaten, yes... Everyone loses, it's the nature of the business. It all comes down to who makes the first, and or worst mistake.
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Post by Jimmy Thomson on Apr 12, 2008 1:11:31 GMT -5
Okay, well then who would you say is the P4P best fighter? Because you basically just ran down every major fighter the UFC has ever had... And I understand you were comparing the Nog brothers to Silva's skills.... But what I'm saying is two fights are NEVER the same. Maybe Henderson wasn't prepared like he was for those fights because most people never thing of Silva as anything on the ground because he flat out knocks people out. Plus Henderson seemed to have lost a lot of the fire he had int eh first round after he didn't end it. He got tired IMO... PLUS he toke some good shots in the second round which led into the ground submission. Strikes do help your grappling... So that is what happened, not his pockets getting lined with green. That and people make mistakes... That's what makes every fight different. Do I think Silva can be beaten, yes... Everyone loses, it's the nature of the business. It all comes down to who makes the first, and or worst mistake. I don't care much about P4P I just think it's all a bunch of speculation and in the end means nothing. Though if I had to choose I'd say if Penn beats Sherk he deserves it and if Fedor beats Sylvia then he deserves it over even Penn. I mean, Fedor hasn't exactly fought top 10 competition. But do you guys think Randy Couture could've done any better against Hong Man Choi? Would he have been able to get the big man down? I don't think he would've because Randy has proved in the past he has trouble with bigger guys as has Fedor. Big Tim is top 10 and a big guy, this fight could be Fedor's ticket back to the top. It's tough to put together the win streak he has... had it not been for a fluke win by TK he would be undefeated. I think there are plenty of great matchups out there that could establish Fedor as the best P4P if they were to ever happen but chances are they won't. BJ hasn't exactly been the best fighter in the past, but at LW he is arguably the best. I would love to see Gomi Vs. Penn 2 if Gomi could make 155 but I doubt Gomi would be coming out on top of that fight. I guess that's why I loved PRIDE so much, their LW and WW (185 lb) divisions were stacked. I mean, Gomi, Kawajiri, Ishida, Hansen, Aoki, Melendez, and Sakurai pretty much sums up the LW's and Misaki, Hendo, Kang, Suloev, Filho, and Bustamante for the WW's. They had some exciting and competitive matches. The thing that REALLY seperated PRIDE from the UFC for me though was the emphasis on ending the fight. In PRIDE it was a thing to push for, in the UFC you get more guys that just try to jab their way to a decision or get the takedown and lay on top until they're stood up and get another takedown. I know it's all a part of the game, but in PRIDE they pushed it to make fights more exciting, which is why in my book PRIDE is always > UFC will ever be. |
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Post by Jimmy Thomson on Apr 12, 2008 1:19:04 GMT -5
k i love pride all the way but there is some dumb shit being said in these threads Anderson Silva is NO DOUBT the number one middle weight in the world. He got subbed by Chonan but that submission was out of control and would never happen again. He has walked through EVERY single middle weight he has fought. You can hate against Franklink but he is pretty good. But you cant hate against Dan Henderson or Nate Marquardt who Silva also walked through "#3 The UFC's WW and LW divisions are each more stacked with talent than any of the former Pride divisions." No offense but the ufc lw division is fucking horrible. Maybe two top ten fighters and one of them is a roid head GSP lost to matt serra but Matt serra is realllllllllly fucking good. He basically beet BJ Penn...i mean BJ won but anyone who knows anything about mma knows Serra shouldve won that decision and yeah serra lost to shonie but that was to a spinning backfist, a move that nobody really did at the time it happened. If you have ever trained BJJ you know Matt Serra is probably thee best BJJ player in the welterweight division. another thing fuck fedor, he is a bitch. He hasnt fought anyone worth a damn in a long ass time. and I think arlovski x Nog would be an amazing fight I would love to see Arlovski v Nog... Hell, I can think of quite a few fights I would love to see that would probably never happen. Kharitonov v Arlovski, Schilt v Sylvia, Hunt v Sylvia, Couture v Schilt/Kharitonov/Arlovski/Hunt/Nog.... I can go on all day really. Franklin is a good fighter and I enjoy watching him fight... That being said I just don't think he's the best. He's good and Anderson decimated him and I give Anderson Credit for that. GSP will destroy Serra in a rematch!!! |
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Post by Jimmy Thomson on Apr 12, 2008 1:28:56 GMT -5
#1 UFC sent fighters over to Pride to represent UFC, Pride never did that, proof right there that UFC was always the willing participant. #2 Who would you say is pound for pound the best if not Anderson Silva? There is nobody at the moment winning as impressively as he is. #3 The UFC's WW and LW divisions are each more stacked with talent than any of the former Pride divisions. #4 Pride was so screwed up by the former owners that the UFC couldn't continue with it, that's why Pride sold out, they were broke and digging a deeper whole for themselves, the UFC did what was best for the fans, they made sure they got the contracts they needed to put on the fights the fans always wanted to see, Pride or no Pride, we got to see those fights. UFC is the best. UFC sent one guy over if I'm not mistaken. Chuck Liddell and he got fucked up by Rampage while Dana White was talking up his gameplan about the leg kicks and whatnot. I know he KO'd Overeem but that was expected... Overeem is a turd afterall. When Anderson fights guys the size of Hong Man Choi and wins I'll call him P4P the best!!!  Pride emphasizes ending the fights. UFC encourages takedowns since they seem to be the most valuable thing you can do. You can punch a guy in the face 90 times but if he gets the takedown and controls you for 30 seconds you lose the round. PRIDE dominated the UFC, they just got a little.... crazy I guess. The shows were better, the commentary was WAY better. I mean Bas Rutten over Joe Rogan and I could listen to Mauro because he actually pays attention to what's going on. Mike Goldberg just sits there and agrees with whatever Joe Rogan says. The production value was pretty close, but I gotta give it to PRIDE... I think that was what ultimately led to PRIDE's downfall (That's what happens when you borrow tons of money from the Yakuza). |
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Post by Edison "Shrek" Sabado on Apr 12, 2008 8:05:43 GMT -5
Dan Henderson didn't throw that fight, Anderson Silva had him hurt several times before he choked him, that made the difference.
And the LW division does not suck, give guys credit, Huerta is good, nobody likes to admit it, he's not the best fighter but he forces you into a battle of attrition, that's a fight he always wins, Guida, Tyson Griffin, Frankie Edgar, Thiago Tavares, Sherk, Penn, Maynard now, maybe Florian, these guys would beat almost any former Pride LW fighter, and all of them could beat Gomi.
And one more thing, if exciting fights is all you want then maybe the UFC should cut their rounds to 3 minutes, eliminate the ground game, and have them fight in a giant soup bowl, Chuck Norris forces exciting fights too, it hurts the legitamacy of the sport to try to take money away from fighters for not being exciting.
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Post by Christopher Caine on Apr 12, 2008 12:19:16 GMT -5
fedor beat hong man choi but BFD. He sucks dick.
Genki Sudo beat Butterbean, should he be #1 p4p?
And i wouldnt say BJ should be...i think coniditioning and heart have a lot to do with being p4p best fighter and those r two things i think BJ lacks.
I do think anderson silva is number 1 p4p. I dont know how much u know about travis lutter but he is AMAZING at bjj and the fact that anderson caught him in a triangle and finished the fight there with strikes is pretty amazing. Anderson had a kind of sketchy history with his record and I think really the only two people left for him to fight are Matt Lindland and Paulo Filho....but we will see
I wouldnt call Fedor pound for pound the best. He has never really lost except once...and that was a long time ago. But who has he beat? His only really good win is Nog. He beat Cro Cop but we saw how "good" cro cop really was when he came over to the ufc and got destroyed. Fedor hasnt beaten a top ten fighter in a REALLY LONG time.
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Post by Jimmy Thomson on Apr 12, 2008 18:56:02 GMT -5
Dan Henderson didn't throw that fight, Anderson Silva had him hurt several times before he choked him, that made the difference. And the LW division does not suck, give guys credit, Huerta is good, nobody likes to admit it, he's not the best fighter but he forces you into a battle of attrition, that's a fight he always wins, Guida, Tyson Griffin, Frankie Edgar, Thiago Tavares, Sherk, Penn, Maynard now, maybe Florian, these guys would beat almost any former Pride LW fighter, and all of them could beat Gomi. And one more thing, if exciting fights is all you want then maybe the UFC should cut their rounds to 3 minutes, eliminate the ground game, and have them fight in a giant soup bowl, Chuck Norris forces exciting fights too, it hurts the legitamacy of the sport to try to take money away from fighters for not being exciting. I doubt that Huerta, Guida, Griffin, Florian, Edgar, Sherk, Maynard, or Tavares would beat Gomi. I would like to see these fights just to be sure but I doubt they'll happen. Gomi is bigger than all of them besides Sherk, not to mention he probably hits harder than any of them. Lets not forget that he was a submission wrestler before he was a striker so I know he can handle the ground game of those guys. None of them are nearly as good at subs as Nick Diaz or Marcus Aurelio. If Gomi's cardio is up then he would beat them all except Penn. BJ is a monster at LW, he looks like he's in the best shape he's been in a long time The UFC could definitely stop trying to be boxing. UFC scoring (boxing with takedowns) = people who just try to outpoint their opponent to win. I didn't say take out the grappling did I? I said that PRIDE was more exciting because they push people to finish the fight.... That means finishing the fight by SUB or (T)KO. I said takedowns are the most useful thing you can do in the UFC since they seem to be the thing that weighs the heaviest on the judges scorecards. You can dominate a guy stading all you want, but once he gets that takedown and controls you for 30 seconds on the ground he is going to win the round unless you do something impressive. That's why people like Matt Lindland do so good in the UFC. They can take people down and lay on them. As long as they keep from being subbed or KO'd they win... If they get the takedowns. I liked it in PRIDE where if you control the fight, push the pace, and try to end the fight you get the decision. I hate seeing a guy that knocks the shit out of someone and is doing it with ease, then the guy takes him down and lays on him until he gets the judges decision. When they guy who was actually trying to push the pace and finish the fight gets the short end of the stick. OHHH, the biggest thing though. Being boring, you know pulling a Matt Lindland, it's not even frowned up in the UFC. They don't penalize for getting to the ground and stalling like PRIDE did. They might not have penalized in a way that could affect the outcome of the fight. Just took away from the fighters purse. If they had something like that in the UFC I would feel much better when I watched and seen some guy blanket his way to a decision. |
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Post by Jimmy Thomson on Apr 12, 2008 19:04:34 GMT -5
fedor beat hong man choi but BFD. He sucks dick. Genki Sudo beat Butterbean, should he be #1 p4p? And i wouldnt say BJ should be...i think coniditioning and heart have a lot to do with being p4p best fighter and those r two things i think BJ lacks. I do think anderson silva is number 1 p4p. I dont know how much u know about travis lutter but he is AMAZING at bjj and the fact that anderson caught him in a triangle and finished the fight there with strikes is pretty amazing. Anderson had a kind of sketchy history with his record and I think really the only two people left for him to fight are Matt Lindland and Paulo Filho....but we will see I wouldnt call Fedor pound for pound the best. He has never really lost except once...and that was a long time ago. But who has he beat? His only really good win is Nog. He beat Cro Cop but we saw how "good" cro cop really was when he came over to the ufc and got destroyed. Fedor hasnt beaten a top ten fighter in a REALLY LONG time. I was actually joking with the HMC comment, that wasn't much of a win but he still had trouble with him because of his size. BJ lacks heart, but I think since he's back down to LW his conditioning will be better. He doesn't look all flabby like he did in his fights with GSP or Matt Hughes. I didn't say Fedor was #1 P4P I said if Fedor beats Tim Sylvia he deserves his throne back. Big Tim is probably the toughest test he'll have had since Nogueira or Crocop. Yea, in PRIDE Crocop was a monster. Because he comes to the UFC and gets beat by Gonzaga, a man nobody gave a chance to win really, and Nut-cheick Kongo doesn't mean he's not good at what he does. You seem to forget that in his 2nd loss in the UFC he was kneed in the testicles like 3 or 4 times. Let me knee you in the balls 3 times and see if you wanna keep fighting. He didn't even get a chance to recover until the fuckin' last one. I don't care who you are, you get kneed in the balls and you won't have the gas to continue on for a whole fight. Matt Hughes got kicked in the balls twice and still beat Frank Trigg, but Matt Hughes also ended up on the ground where he was able to outmuscle Frank Trigg and get the RNC. Crocop was up against a guy who outweighed him and was probably stronger than him. Knees to the testicles = hard time fighting. Once Anderson Silva beats Matt Lindland or Paulo Filho (Both LnP'ers) we'll see who is the best MW.... P4P I still feel BJ is the top until Fedor beats some top 10 competition. |
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Post by Gesias "JZ" Calvancanti on Apr 12, 2008 23:41:22 GMT -5
fedor beat hong man choi but BFD. He sucks dick. Genki Sudo beat Butterbean, should he be #1 p4p? And i wouldnt say BJ should be...i think coniditioning and heart have a lot to do with being p4p best fighter and those r two things i think BJ lacks. I do think anderson silva is number 1 p4p. I dont know how much u know about travis lutter but he is AMAZING at bjj and the fact that anderson caught him in a triangle and finished the fight there with strikes is pretty amazing. Anderson had a kind of sketchy history with his record and I think really the only two people left for him to fight are Matt Lindland and Paulo Filho....but we will see I wouldnt call Fedor pound for pound the best. He has never really lost except once...and that was a long time ago. But who has he beat? His only really good win is Nog. He beat Cro Cop but we saw how "good" cro cop really was when he came over to the ufc and got destroyed. Fedor hasnt beaten a top ten fighter in a REALLY LONG time. I was actually joking with the HMC comment, that wasn't much of a win but he still had trouble with him because of his size. BJ lacks heart, but I think since he's back down to LW his conditioning will be better. He doesn't look all flabby like he did in his fights with GSP or Matt Hughes. I didn't say Fedor was #1 P4P I said if Fedor beats Tim Sylvia he deserves his throne back. Big Tim is probably the toughest test he'll have had since Nogueira or Crocop. Yea, in PRIDE Crocop was a monster. Because he comes to the UFC and gets beat by Gonzaga, a man nobody gave a chance to win really, and Nut-cheick Kongo doesn't mean he's not good at what he does. You seem to forget that in his 2nd loss in the UFC he was kneed in the testicles like 3 or 4 times. Let me knee you in the balls 3 times and see if you wanna keep fighting. He didn't even get a chance to recover until the fuckin' last one. I don't care who you are, you get kneed in the balls and you won't have the gas to continue on for a whole fight. Matt Hughes got kicked in the balls twice and still beat Frank Trigg, but Matt Hughes also ended up on the ground where he was able to outmuscle Frank Trigg and get the RNC. Crocop was up against a guy who outweighed him and was probably stronger than him. Knees to the testicles = hard time fighting. Once Anderson Silva beats Matt Lindland or Paulo Filho (Both LnP'ers) we'll see who is the best MW.... P4P I still feel BJ is the top until Fedor beats some top 10 competition. Kongo kneed Cro Cop in the balls in Round 2, he smashed cro cop in round 3, i love how people bring up the nut comments about cheick just to say that he beat cro cop entirely because he hit him in the balls. Kongo beat Cro Cop because he had a perfect gameplan to stay out of cro cop's leg range and use his height and superior reach to his advantage and he did so, he was a little bit faster than cro cop, had better and faster footwork, i expected him to stand more with herring, but he showed that he added a new element to his game and he can be very dangerous on the ground as well, I am glad that I saw that, after seeing how Carmelo Marrero outwrestled him, I was like "damn, that guys gonna get owned by any good wrestler", but now, he looks better. As for Fedor, Fedor didnt look good against HMC, but I dont think any of us would look good against a guy that is a foot and 2 inches taller than us and weighs about a 100 pounds over us. He still got the armbar, thats what matter, he was already tired once he got it, he really had to work, I think Tim will be a big challenge for Fedor, I think Tim hits harder, I believe Fedor is faster and better on the ground, Tim has a good sprawl, I think Fedor's conditioning is only a hair better. Tim can knock Fedor out if he donks him on the chin a couple of good times, it will be interesting. Its a fight I wanted to see, so I think we will finally get to see it. Also, I've been noticing now that if you post on Sherdog about any good Heavyweight, there are like 3 people that say "he should fight Kimbo, he'd get his ass whooped", ok we get it, Kimbo is a legit MMA fighter now, but who has he really beat? Bo Cantrell, ok, a guy with a 10-10 record, not really the best, and 43 year old Tank Abbott with a 9-14 record and hasnt won a fight in like 2 years and then the rumor of Ken Shamrock! Please lol, my god, Kimbo is fighting James Thompson, James is legit but he hasnt won in a while, all the less, I think Kimbo will win probably by knock out, he will probably catch Thompson one good time on his chin, which is really showed in the past to be his biggest downfall is his chin. I dont think Kimbo is anywhere close to challenging a top 10 yet, but if he keeps working with Bas Rutten and other great fighters, he will be on his way for sure. One more thing, Griffin vs. Rampage, great fight, stoked to see it, gonna order that live for sure, but i order every fight live lol. I love how before Rampage came to the UFC, no one talked about him, he wins the championship and all the sudden he's everyones avatar and people wonder if he could beat Fedor and da da da. Rampage is good, but if you look at it, the Dan Henderson fight, Rampage had a very difficult time with Henderson, fight could've gone either way in my opinion, Rampage barely squeezed that one out, Anderson Silva demolished Dan Henderson and submitted him in the 2nd round. Forrest Griffin beat the crap out of Shogun in a very entertaining war, that being said, I expect Forrest to pull the upset and become the new champion, I just think that whenever you count Forrest out the most, a la Randy Couture, he rises to the occasion aka the Tito Fight, when he fought Tito, people underestimated Forrest, after that fight, everyone thought Forrest won, then he demolished Shogun, no. 1 ranked Lightheavyweight at the time, perfect win for him because Shogun beat up Rampage, I think the way for Forrest to beat Rampage is to make Rampage quit, Rampage has shown in the past that if you beat on him enough, he acts like he doesnt want to be in there anymore. I think Forrest can submit Rampage, but it wont be early into the fight. People think Rampage will knock him out, I doubt that, it will be a good fight, Rampage couldnt even get close to rocking Henderson and Silva rocked him pretty good, Griffin vs. Rampage will probably be like Huerta vs. Guida, fight of the year |
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Post by Gesias "JZ" Calvancanti on Apr 12, 2008 23:43:09 GMT -5
He hasn't just been subbed by 1 sub-par fighter. Daiju Takase was the other one. Now, right before he entered into the UFC he decimated Tony Fryklund great win there. After that he moved on to Chris Leben, the guy that just moves forward with his jaw up and his hands swinging. Not exactly an upset here. Then he destroyed Rich Franklin and I'll give it to him, he beat a good fighter there. Though I hardly think Franklin is the best. After that he moved on to beat the awesome Travis Lutter... definitely worthy of being P4P the best right there. Next he defeats Nathan Marquardt with ease (also, the ONLY person I can say that is worth mentioning that Marquardt has beat is Ricardo Almeida and he hardly fights now). I don't know about you guys but in order to be P4P the best you actually have to beat top 10 guys consistantly. You don't just get the title because you've beat 1 guy. I say Henderson threw that fight because he didn't even look like he tried to defend the RNC. He pulled Andersons arm away with ease then he just let him get it right back, now when I seen this it just came off as odd. A guy, the caliber of Henderson, being subbed by a RNC after he has already defended it once. Now, if you wanna sit there and try to convince me that he is the P4P Best then you can try. Though it won't work..... There are no real rankings and as far as I'm concerned there are tons of fighters who would dominate Silva. Henderson should've been one of them, but he threw the fight.... Yea he threw it, a world class wrestler with the experience of Henderson doesn't get subbed THAT easily. I mean, the NOGUIERA BROTHERS had trouble submitting him and they gave Silva his black belt. But if you want me to sit there and believe that it's completely implausible that Henderson threw the fight to keep people thinking Anderson Silva is this monster and he's not only a great striker but he's also better than the noguiera brothers on the ground then be my guest. So be naive and think that someone would take Pride over a shit load of money. Those guys fight to pay the bills and if they can get more than what they would from throwing a fight than winning then they would take it. Happened in PRIDE with Coleman Vs. Takada and it could very easily happen in the UFC.... Wow, your a Pride nuthugger, all agains the UFC, we understand, its ok, name one Pride fighter and I think Anderson can own him, including Fedor. |
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He's not P4P the best, he got subbed by Ryo Chonan... anyone that has been subbed by a less than stellar fighter cannot be P4P the best. Rich Franklin who got KO'd by Anderson Silva twice with ease? Dan Henderson is probably the only one and I think he just threw that fight against Silva. He was probably paid off by the Fertitas so they could keep buildling up Anderson Silva since everyone thinks he's so great.[/quote]
