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Post by Aiden SIN Christiansin on Aug 10, 2008 15:50:08 GMT -5
Penn looked to be in terrible shape too....
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Post by Gesias "JZ" Calvancanti on Aug 10, 2008 16:11:51 GMT -5
Penn looked to be in terrible shape too.... Yeah Penn looked huge, at least 20 pounds over his weight class |
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Post by David "the Warhound" Stone on Aug 10, 2008 17:22:27 GMT -5
nobodys listenin. How many times did Lesnar hit Herring throughout the fight? maybe five or six times per round? dude you are fuckin nuts if you dont call it lay and pray. he held him in the referees position for fifteen minutes. am i sayin lesnar aint talented? no way in hell im sayin he reminded a shitload of Rashad Evans. He should have finished that fight or at least hit the guy a fuckload more. i dont know what you guys are talkin about either submission defense my ass. herring went for a grand total of 1 kneebar and maybe two kimuras. that was it. no way in hell did it last fifteen minutes. Was Lesnar impressive,no not really. Is he talented ya not denyin that. but i dont like him as a fighter. charisma is really not that important in my opinion i think there are some great fighters out there with no fuckin charisma. I think Fedor is a prime example. he just held herring down. now i can understand JZ's look on that he was tryin to get the W and the experience but if you were really impressed with that fight then let me tell you about someother "great" performances. Asserio Silva vs. Chieck Kongo. Amazing fight really especially where Assuerio stayed in side guard for ten of the fifteen minutes and they still gave the decision to Kongo. Or hey how about Koshcheck vs. Sanchez. that fifteen minutes of Kosheck tapping Diego on the face was really amazing.
Jesus christ maybe its because he looked really impressive in his first fight that i got all hyped up and thought you would actually come to fight this time. seriosuly with the exception of the first two minutes where lesnar dominated with that attack i didnt see a good fight at all. Not to mention besides that one punch i didnt think lesnar was really dominating on the feet either herring charged forward Lesnar took him down got reffees position and sat on his ankle for the rest of the round throwing a punch in the side or kneeing him every two minutes or so. Thats actually a wrestling move its called the ankle ride. your not allowed to do it in collegiate wrestling anymore for more than a minute bbecause its damn near impossible to escape and its a cheap way to get a victory. not this wasnt wrestling and herring did have a few options but with a guy that big and that strong sitting on his hips it wasnt easy. I dont know how anyone who considers themselves an MMA fan can call that an impressive performance.
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Post by Gesias "JZ" Calvancanti on Aug 10, 2008 17:39:22 GMT -5
I love MMA, been a fan for a very long time and I will be one of the few to say I was surprised by Brock's performance. Heath Herring was a dangerous fight for him and for Brock to stand with Herring that long and do better than him was spectacular in my opinion. Stand up was supposed to be Heath's biggest strength for the fight and Lesnar did a great job there. Sure he needs work, but with his work ethic, dedication and his competitve spirit. You will see this man improve ten fold and really get better in all facets of the game. He is by far the most athletic Heavyweight in MMA right now and you give the man some great submission defense. He has all the skills to take the Heavyweight division by storm. I want to see him fight more contenders. I think a fight between Lesnar and Kongo or Lesnar and Gonzaga are both very good matchups and definitely marketable fights.
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Post by David "the Warhound" Stone on Aug 10, 2008 18:02:00 GMT -5
you know i hope your right and im just overracting cuz hes inexperienced but jesus christ i cant get excited about that performance. Again hes a talented guy but what the hell
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Post by Aiden SIN Christiansin on Aug 10, 2008 18:10:30 GMT -5
So teh knees in teh clinch didn't buckle Herring? Hmm.... you must have had your eyes closed during the clinch when Herring was man handled and almost dropped from a few knees. Lesnar is raw for sure, but you not saying he was impressive is a joke. He threw punched repeatedly, but its hard when your opponent is in the turtle positioning to really be able to throw any punches. The entire first round was Lesnar landing multiple shots. You obviously must have gone to the bathroom for this fight.
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Post by David "the Warhound" Stone on Aug 10, 2008 18:16:29 GMT -5
and you must have obviously missed the next two rounds of him doing nothing but sit on his fuckin hips
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Post by Daimon "Guererio" Silva on Aug 10, 2008 20:14:05 GMT -5
I think that lesnar looked better but in all honesty compared to any other fighter in the UFC or Affliction or WEC or EliteXC or any other big time company you have to expect more even from the heavyweights which i believe is the worst division in MMA right now.
I mean was everyone satisfied with Kimbo Slice and how every no knowledge fan talks about how hes the best fighter in the wolrd.
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Post by Jimmy Thomson on Aug 10, 2008 23:56:39 GMT -5
I think that lesnar looked better but in all honesty compared to any other fighter in the UFC or Affliction or WEC or EliteXC or any other big time company you have to expect more even from the heavyweights which i believe is the worst division in MMA right now. I mean was everyone satisfied with Kimbo Slice and how every no knowledge fan talks about how hes the best fighter in the wolrd. No, but this being his 3rd fight against a battle tested and very game competitor is reason to say it was impressive. THIRD FUCKING FIGHT. What part of that don't you guys understand? I don't even know why Lesnar and Herring fought because Herring has WAY more experience. That didn't matter to Lesnar though, he got in there and did what he does. He's a wrestler so of course he's going to use wrestling techniques to control someone. It's not called lay and pray when you're actually doing something and Herring was constantly trying to stand up. Instead of throwing punches and letting him stand or go for a submission Lesnar did the smart thing and controlled him. Did you notice how they didn't get stood up a single time? That's because Lesnar was doing enough ground work to keep it there. That's not lay and pray, lay and pray is take you down and do nothing, get stood up, take you down and do nothing again. At least that's what I call lay and pray. It's just like Machida, everyone seems to like this guy but he was 200x more boring than Lesnar and he's had like 15 more fights or some shit. At least Lesnar was engaging and being aggressive. It's too bad you didn't watch his fight with Mir where he made a huge mistake and obviously didn't want to make any mistake to give people a reason to hate him. But people still take this win and say he wasn't impressive and that it was boring? That's just fuckin' stupid, people look at where he came from and they want to keep him out of MMA. Brock Lesnar will probably never be taken seriously because people constantly put him down even when he dominates. REAL MMA fans would be excited to see someone with as much potential coming into the HW division instead of bitching about what he didn't do. You forget the time Kongo kneed Crocop like 4 times in the testicles and just pushed him up against the cage for 3 rounds? That was definitely WAY less impressive than Brock Lesnars fight with Herring. People still seem to think he's worth watching though because of that performance. I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm not trying to sound like a know it all, I'm just explaining my views on it all and being a little stern while doing so. Lesnar had every right in the world to do what he did in the post-fight interview. Before the fight Herring said some shit that if said to me I'd be pissed AND the "Fans" like you always doubting him. He didn't do anything but do a little gesture like Tito or any other Charismatic fighter would do and then he asked a simple question. "Can you see me now?" Because people obviously didn't realize Brock Lesnar could win fights against PROVEN competition. |
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Post by Aiden SIN Christiansin on Aug 11, 2008 9:41:03 GMT -5
WELL PUT JIMMY!
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Post by David "the Warhound" Stone on Aug 11, 2008 13:40:25 GMT -5
okay i watched the mir fight so lets get that out of the way right now it wasnt much to watch but i was way more impressed with lesnar's loss than this win.
You all keep talking about how herring kept going for submissions i think your all fuckin bonkers. I saw one kneebar and two kimuras throughout fifteen minutes.
I get that its his third fight but if he is in the UFC he has to be compared to the best and that was a bad fight. I though the Kongo/Crocop fight was shit as well.
You dont get it, I AM TAKING HIM SERIOUSLY! I PICKED HIM TO WIN! CHECK IT OUT AT THE BEGINING OF THE THREAD! Thats why i am critizizing if i wasnt taking him seriously i wouldnt give a shit. i would move on to fighters i think are serious and want to make a real title run. I think Lesnar is the real deal, but he didnt show it that night. I'm not saying he didnt win. I'm not even saying he didnt dominate. I'm saying he was BORING AS FLYS FUCKING!
And im sorry im stupid for calling a fighter out for a fight he should have finished? This is the same guy who is ripping on Fitch who gave everything he had to go five rounds with GSP and you say it was disapointing? I was even a bit disapointed with GSP for not finishing but jesus he dropped him three or four times in that fight what mroe can ya ask?
And hey it is lay and pray when you dont do shit except knee him in the side every few minutes. Its pretty much what Rashad Evans does and everyone calls his stuff lay and pray. i didnt see much of a difference.
one last thing i want this to be clear because this is the part you guys keep arguing about and im not even trying to make this a point. I LIKE LESNAR! I THINK HE HAS ALOT OF TALENT! I WANT THIS GUY IN MMA! I TAKE HIM VERY SERIOUSLY! THERFORE I MUST CRITIQUE HIM SERIOUSLY! IT WAS A BAD FIGHT! ITS NOT LIKE SHERK VS. FRANCA WHERE SHERK WAS THROWING BOMBS EVERY SECOND! I WANT HIM TO DO WELL, AND I WANT HIM TO BRING SOMETHING TO THE FUCKIN TABLE AND WHEN GUYS LIKE YOU SUPPORT HIM WHEN HE HAD A SHITTY PERFORMANCE IT DOESNT REALLY ENCOURAGE THE FACT.
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Post by ryanammons on Aug 11, 2008 17:05:34 GMT -5
Pop some fucking midol would ya???
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Post by Jeff "Shooter" Graham on Aug 11, 2008 18:13:51 GMT -5
I like Lesnar too and I have to say he did a beautiful job of winning. People want to know why he didn't rush in and just drop bombs until the fight was stopped and do something spectacular.
The reason is because the last time he tried something like that it didn't work out too well for him.
Jimmy hit the nail on the head. It was his third fight against a guy with a world, more experience. He was cautious but always working. He controlled a vastly more skilled (?) fighter and did damage. As a former wrestler who has trained in MMA I have to say that I was impressed with his composure and his will to stick to his gameplan. It wasn't the most exciting fight but what do people expect? Chairshots and the like?
On paper, Heath should have been favored. He was dominated by a rookie. Period. Will Brock get better? No doubt. He needed a win or he would have been cut. Dana won't pay someone to lose (unless it's Jorge Gurgel)
Look at the fight from a technical standpoint and you might see that it wasn't really boring at all. Both guys were doing their best. Just my 2 cents though.
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Post by Jimmy Thomson on Aug 12, 2008 13:36:29 GMT -5
okay i watched the mir fight so lets get that out of the way right now it wasnt much to watch but i was way more impressed with lesnar's loss than this win. You all keep talking about how herring kept going for submissions i think your all fuckin bonkers. I saw one kneebar and two kimuras throughout fifteen minutes. I get that its his third fight but if he is in the UFC he has to be compared to the best and that was a bad fight. I though the Kongo/Crocop fight was shit as well. You dont get it, I AM TAKING HIM SERIOUSLY! I PICKED HIM TO WIN! CHECK IT OUT AT THE BEGINING OF THE THREAD! Thats why i am critizizing if i wasnt taking him seriously i wouldnt give a shit. i would move on to fighters i think are serious and want to make a real title run. I think Lesnar is the real deal, but he didnt show it that night. I'm not saying he didnt win. I'm not even saying he didnt dominate. I'm saying he was BORING AS FLYS FUCKING! And im sorry im stupid for calling a fighter out for a fight he should have finished? This is the same guy who is ripping on Fitch who gave everything he had to go five rounds with GSP and you say it was disapointing? I was even a bit disapointed with GSP for not finishing but jesus he dropped him three or four times in that fight what mroe can ya ask? And hey it is lay and pray when you dont do shit except knee him in the side every few minutes. Its pretty much what Rashad Evans does and everyone calls his stuff lay and pray. i didnt see much of a difference. one last thing i want this to be clear because this is the part you guys keep arguing about and im not even trying to make this a point. I LIKE LESNAR! I THINK HE HAS ALOT OF TALENT! I WANT THIS GUY IN MMA! I TAKE HIM VERY SERIOUSLY! THERFORE I MUST CRITIQUE HIM SERIOUSLY! IT WAS A BAD FIGHT! ITS NOT LIKE SHERK VS. FRANCA WHERE SHERK WAS THROWING BOMBS EVERY SECOND! I WANT HIM TO DO WELL, AND I WANT HIM TO BRING SOMETHING TO THE FUCKIN TABLE AND WHEN GUYS LIKE YOU SUPPORT HIM WHEN HE HAD A SHITTY PERFORMANCE IT DOESNT REALLY ENCOURAGE THE FACT. #1. I haven't said Herring kept going for subs. It doesn't matter who you're going against. If I was in Lesnar's shoes I would've played it safe too. #2. I didn't say I was disappointed with GSP, I said I was disappointed with Fitch because I thought he was going to put up a better fight than he did. *Props to GSP* #3. Lay and Pray is Matt Lindland and Paulo Filho's specialty. #4. Sorry for pissing you off. |
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